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		<title>By: J T. Ramsay</title>
		<link>http://jtramsay.com/2009/03/28/why-we-are-debating-free/comment-page-1/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>J T. Ramsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, pageviews aren&#039;t great compared to general entertainment news, but compared to other outlets that are music-focused, my numbers are the stuff of dreams! I started out the year with two months of record-breaking traffic for comcast.net/music!

I guess I should&#039;ve clarified that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, pageviews aren&#8217;t great compared to general entertainment news, but compared to other outlets that are music-focused, my numbers are the stuff of dreams! I started out the year with two months of record-breaking traffic for comcast.net/music!</p>
<p>I guess I should&#8217;ve clarified that.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda Walker</title>
		<link>http://jtramsay.com/2009/03/28/why-we-are-debating-free/comment-page-1/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So aren&#039;t you in a bit of a chicken and egg situation?  If pageviews aren&#039;t great, why should they give you more than an mp3?  If they give you exclusive content will it deliver?

It&#039;s a shame that publicists are holding Philly against you, but I must say that I don&#039;t know many seasoned music marketers who care where a company is located as long as it has some buzz and delivers results.  

When it comes to music, Comcast doesn&#039;t have buzz.  I certainly support you in your drive to change that, but I don&#039;t think getting the content alone isn&#039;t going to be enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So aren&#8217;t you in a bit of a chicken and egg situation?  If pageviews aren&#8217;t great, why should they give you more than an mp3?  If they give you exclusive content will it deliver?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame that publicists are holding Philly against you, but I must say that I don&#8217;t know many seasoned music marketers who care where a company is located as long as it has some buzz and delivers results.  </p>
<p>When it comes to music, Comcast doesn&#8217;t have buzz.  I certainly support you in your drive to change that, but I don&#8217;t think getting the content alone isn&#8217;t going to be enough.</p>
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		<title>By: J T. Ramsay</title>
		<link>http://jtramsay.com/2009/03/28/why-we-are-debating-free/comment-page-1/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>J T. Ramsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pitchfork has had New York offices for at least two years. 

Also, as concerns the Comcast brand: I don&#039;t think it gets in the way at all, but is more a matter of getting publicists to understand, as I&#039;ve written before, that there&#039;s a tremendous opportunity to get their artists in front of huge audience. When people are wondering where they should look now that Blender has been relegated to an online-only presence, I want them to know that I&#039;m looking to work with bands, provided that &quot;working with&quot; means more than getting an mp3 to stream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pitchfork has had New York offices for at least two years. </p>
<p>Also, as concerns the Comcast brand: I don&#8217;t think it gets in the way at all, but is more a matter of getting publicists to understand, as I&#8217;ve written before, that there&#8217;s a tremendous opportunity to get their artists in front of huge audience. When people are wondering where they should look now that Blender has been relegated to an online-only presence, I want them to know that I&#8217;m looking to work with bands, provided that &#8220;working with&#8221; means more than getting an mp3 to stream.</p>
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		<title>By: J T. Ramsay</title>
		<link>http://jtramsay.com/2009/03/28/why-we-are-debating-free/comment-page-1/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>J T. Ramsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://idolator.com/5190451/is-diy-just-another-word-for-nothing-left-to-lose&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;great post on Idolator&lt;/a&gt; that mentions Palmer, and even she says there are real issues with this approach. I guess the hardest thing to understand is how easily we can communicate via the Internet, yet all forms of media seem to be taking a step backward to the 18th Century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a <a href="http://idolator.com/5190451/is-diy-just-another-word-for-nothing-left-to-lose" rel="nofollow">great post on Idolator</a> that mentions Palmer, and even she says there are real issues with this approach. I guess the hardest thing to understand is how easily we can communicate via the Internet, yet all forms of media seem to be taking a step backward to the 18th Century.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda Walker</title>
		<link>http://jtramsay.com/2009/03/28/why-we-are-debating-free/comment-page-1/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JT, I get that the portals are big entry points for a lot of people, however do those people actually see the portals as gateways to their deeper interests?  Or put another way, if I love indie rock, am I more inclined to trust Comcast as my source for indie rock or Pitchfork?  As it relates to my online personality (or personal brand), when I share a link on Facebook or tweet about finding some great music, what does it say about me as a music fan if that link comes from Comcast, Pitchfork (Pitchfork isn&#039;t based in LA or NY is it?) or the band&#039;s site?  

Could it be that the Comcast brand is getting in the way? Is it possible that the people who will go to Comcast for music are more followers than influencers and a part of the greater mass of casual music listeners who are simply more passive anyway?

Music has never just been about the tunes themselves and since the explosion of sonic identity with ringtones and personal MySpace pages, it has becoming so much more than the soundtrack to our lives.  

As for OK Go, most hit singles are from one hit wonders. Reliable fanbases are built from great live shows and consistently strong recordings, not one attention-grabbing song, regardless of how it got that attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JT, I get that the portals are big entry points for a lot of people, however do those people actually see the portals as gateways to their deeper interests?  Or put another way, if I love indie rock, am I more inclined to trust Comcast as my source for indie rock or Pitchfork?  As it relates to my online personality (or personal brand), when I share a link on Facebook or tweet about finding some great music, what does it say about me as a music fan if that link comes from Comcast, Pitchfork (Pitchfork isn&#8217;t based in LA or NY is it?) or the band&#8217;s site?  </p>
<p>Could it be that the Comcast brand is getting in the way? Is it possible that the people who will go to Comcast for music are more followers than influencers and a part of the greater mass of casual music listeners who are simply more passive anyway?</p>
<p>Music has never just been about the tunes themselves and since the explosion of sonic identity with ringtones and personal MySpace pages, it has becoming so much more than the soundtrack to our lives.  </p>
<p>As for OK Go, most hit singles are from one hit wonders. Reliable fanbases are built from great live shows and consistently strong recordings, not one attention-grabbing song, regardless of how it got that attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Schoneveld</title>
		<link>http://jtramsay.com/2009/03/28/why-we-are-debating-free/comment-page-1/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Schoneveld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All big media is going through these same near-death growing pains.  At the end of the day, people will always make music, paint pictures, take photographic images, edit together moving pictures and sound.  The fact is that the cost of creating mass-produced media is just getting lower and lower and over time and the value of the &#039;archive&#039; of that content is falling rapidly.  Rarity is the future.  Or commodity.  

I&#039;m in the camp that says if the only way music will be heard is to give it away, then so be it.  No more advertising supported anything.  No more over-paid PR.  No more wildly gouged ticket prices.  Just people.  Playing instruments and singing.  And sharing it, in whatever form - live, home recording, whatever - with their friends.  Some folks actually make a living at that.  See: Amanda Palmer.

Then again, I hang out with a bunch of experiential avant-garde folks who will probably never make a dime off their art anyway, so maybe that effects my opinion on the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All big media is going through these same near-death growing pains.  At the end of the day, people will always make music, paint pictures, take photographic images, edit together moving pictures and sound.  The fact is that the cost of creating mass-produced media is just getting lower and lower and over time and the value of the &#8216;archive&#8217; of that content is falling rapidly.  Rarity is the future.  Or commodity.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m in the camp that says if the only way music will be heard is to give it away, then so be it.  No more advertising supported anything.  No more over-paid PR.  No more wildly gouged ticket prices.  Just people.  Playing instruments and singing.  And sharing it, in whatever form &#8211; live, home recording, whatever &#8211; with their friends.  Some folks actually make a living at that.  See: Amanda Palmer.</p>
<p>Then again, I hang out with a bunch of experiential avant-garde folks who will probably never make a dime off their art anyway, so maybe that effects my opinion on the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: J T. Ramsay</title>
		<link>http://jtramsay.com/2009/03/28/why-we-are-debating-free/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>J T. Ramsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, Johan. I think OK Go had great success, if only for a moment, with a viral piece of content. The problem is how do you channel that excitement into a reliable fanbase you can expect to see out at your shows? I haven&#039;t heard a peep from OK Go since they appeared on &quot;The Colbert Report.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Johan. I think OK Go had great success, if only for a moment, with a viral piece of content. The problem is how do you channel that excitement into a reliable fanbase you can expect to see out at your shows? I haven&#8217;t heard a peep from OK Go since they appeared on &#8220;The Colbert Report.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: J T. Ramsay</title>
		<link>http://jtramsay.com/2009/03/28/why-we-are-debating-free/comment-page-1/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>J T. Ramsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you raise a good point, Brenda, but pageviews are still the benchmark by which almost any website is judged. I take it as a measure of how interested people are in anything related to music. It&#039;s a gripe common among any editors who are actually deep-diving into Omniture on a regular basis, with an eye toward site engagement goals. It&#039;s a tricky business.

I think you&#039;re missing something important about the big portals though. They&#039;re still a huge part of Internet traffic and are real hubs for lots of people. I personally am thrilled at the opportunity to take Comcast.net&#039;s music page into the next generation and try to reach different audiences with varying degrees of interest in music content. As I see it, we have the eyeballs it takes to expose people to all sorts of music content; it&#039;s just a matter of getting labels to see that they can&#039;t ignore a site like Comcast.net just because it doesn&#039;t have a footprint in Los Angeles or New York City. It&#039;s just too big an opportunity to pass up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you raise a good point, Brenda, but pageviews are still the benchmark by which almost any website is judged. I take it as a measure of how interested people are in anything related to music. It&#8217;s a gripe common among any editors who are actually deep-diving into Omniture on a regular basis, with an eye toward site engagement goals. It&#8217;s a tricky business.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re missing something important about the big portals though. They&#8217;re still a huge part of Internet traffic and are real hubs for lots of people. I personally am thrilled at the opportunity to take Comcast.net&#8217;s music page into the next generation and try to reach different audiences with varying degrees of interest in music content. As I see it, we have the eyeballs it takes to expose people to all sorts of music content; it&#8217;s just a matter of getting labels to see that they can&#8217;t ignore a site like Comcast.net just because it doesn&#8217;t have a footprint in Los Angeles or New York City. It&#8217;s just too big an opportunity to pass up!</p>
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		<title>By: johan f</title>
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		<dc:creator>johan f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi, i think there&#039;s two very different business models here.

1. The unknown act, who is looking to SPREAD.
2. The established act who can do what he likes.

I think FREEMIUM works to help spread ideas. it&#039;s a marketing technique. if you already have a massive audience, then you can generate more buzz by offering your album for free, but that&#039;s up to you.

It&#039;s the underground bands that can really benefit from a freemium model, and here is how:

http://flapsandwich.blogspot.com/2009/03/does-freemium-work.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi, i think there&#8217;s two very different business models here.</p>
<p>1. The unknown act, who is looking to SPREAD.<br />
2. The established act who can do what he likes.</p>
<p>I think FREEMIUM works to help spread ideas. it&#8217;s a marketing technique. if you already have a massive audience, then you can generate more buzz by offering your album for free, but that&#8217;s up to you.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the underground bands that can really benefit from a freemium model, and here is how:</p>
<p><a href="http://flapsandwich.blogspot.com/2009/03/does-freemium-work.html" rel="nofollow">http://flapsandwich.blogspot.com/2009/03/does-freemium-work.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brenda Walker</title>
		<link>http://jtramsay.com/2009/03/28/why-we-are-debating-free/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JT, no offense against Comcast (except for the horrendous customer service) but are pageviews for that website really a definitive measure? As a past Comcast customer, I never understood what Comcast.net was trying to be.  Music was the first form of media to be effected by the &quot;digital revolution&quot; and if it has splintered from properties that are general interest (including Yahoo, AOL, MSN, etc.) is that really so surprising?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JT, no offense against Comcast (except for the horrendous customer service) but are pageviews for that website really a definitive measure? As a past Comcast customer, I never understood what Comcast.net was trying to be.  Music was the first form of media to be effected by the &#8220;digital revolution&#8221; and if it has splintered from properties that are general interest (including Yahoo, AOL, MSN, etc.) is that really so surprising?</p>
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