The Matter of David Grasso’s New Club

Two local blogs I fol­low dogged­ly now are Plan Philly and Brown­ston­er’s Philly branch. I real­ly got into the for­mer when I start­ed notic­ing bylines from my online bud­dy Bri­an James Kirk. I noticed that the site real­ly picked up steam and was on top of all the cool devel­op­ment issues and the not-so-cool ones, too. Same for Brown­ston­er. They do the thank­less work that green reporters do: attend zon­ing hear­ings and watch real estate trans­ac­tions to see who’s buy­ing what and why. I’m real­iz­ing in this moment that this is why I love Foo­booz’s restau­rant death­watch so much.

As I’ve said like 1,000 times before, I got a degree in urban polit­i­cal econ­o­my before I found myself get­ting a steady pay­check for know­ing things about folks like Bey­once and Rihan­na. Stuff like this, bor­ing as it may seem, real­ly excites me. And some­times those worlds collide!

Such is the case with talk of a new music venue not so far from my home here in Port Fish­ing­ton or Olde Rich­mond as our sil­ly neigh­bor­hood asso­ci­a­tion likes to call it. It strikes me as a com­plete non-starter, not only because that stretch of road is some of the most des­o­late with­in walk­ing dis­tance, but also because why in the hell does Philadel­phia need anoth­er music venue that size? Do they know the live music busi­ness is cra­ter­ing all around us? Is Live Nation real­ly that des­per­ate to find a new and cre­ative way to lose mon­ey in a mar­ket they already lost?

Aes­thet­i­cal­ly, Gras­so’s design looks like World Cafe Live! on steroids, which is to say, a venue I don’t vis­it often on steroids. (For the record, I’ve been to World Cafe Live! twice and I’ve nev­er paid.) I’ll grant that there’s an off chance it suc­ceeds if artists like Rihan­na, et. al. feel like the Bor­ga­ta is insuf­fi­cient to their “pre­mi­um expe­ri­ence” demands. But I have a hard time believ­ing that the hard luck crowd hit­ting Sug­ar­House is going to schlep up Rich­mond for a big bucks con­cert lat­er in the evening.

It’s inter­est­ing to read David Gras­so’s own com­ment on Philebri­ty, where I’m sure many folks hip to the scene heard of this for the first time. Gras­so address­es the gaunt­let he alleged­ly threw down at the Elec­tric Fac­to­ry, the venue most like­ly affect­ed should his new project go for­ward. You can read his defense here.

I’ve been in Philadel­phia and on the music scene for a sol­id sev­en years. I’ve seen the rise and fall of great music venues, includ­ing the North Star and the Khy­ber. I’ve seen the res­ur­rec­tion of the Tow­er. I’ve watched as Clear Chan­nel strug­gled once they lost their monop­oly on the mar­ket. I’m hon­est­ly sur­prised to see Sean Agnew hav­ing the suc­cess he has, and I’m hap­py for him. Does that mean that Gras­so deserves to build a music empo­ri­um that would direct­ly com­pete with a venue like the Elec­tric Fac­to­ry? Hardly.

I know lots of folks think that the only solu­tion to “save” the Philadel­phia water­front is to devel­op it as intense­ly as pos­si­ble, with­out care for sus­tain­abil­i­ty. I strong­ly dis­agree. I think that if there are areas worth pre­serv­ing, or even reclaim­ing, as pub­lic space, then that should be the rule, rather than arbi­trar­i­ly auc­tion­ing tracts of land to devel­op­ers who don’t seem to under­stand the future of their busi­ness. I’d hate to see this become the fan­ci­est dol­lar store in Port Rich­mond in five years.

8 Comments

  1. Well J.T., I hear you, but I must respect­ful­ly dis­agree with you. I grew up in the Philly music scene and was going to the Khy­ber, the North­star and the Elec­tric Fac­to­ry many years before you watched them rise. I have been to hun­dreds of shows in this city in my life­time and many more in oth­er Cities around the coun­try and what has become clear is that most oth­er major cities in this coun­try have Philly beat by a mile in terms of places to enjoy a live music per­for­mance. D.C. has the 930 Club, New York has the Nokia The­ater and the Rose­land and sev­er­al oth­ers, Chica­go has the House of Blues and LA has too many to list. I could go on and on. Fur­ther, my under­stand­ing is that Live Nation’s club divi­sion (small venues) and Philadel­phia specif­i­cal­ly were bright spots on Live Nation’s finan­cial state­ment last quar­ter. Philadel­phia music fans deserve the same as oth­er cities.…especially with its amaz­ing music his­to­ry. Seems like a NIMB based arti­cle to me art­ful­ly craft­ed to sound like facts.

  2. Well J.T., I hear you, but I must respect­ful­ly dis­agree with you. I grew up in the Philly music scene and was going to the Khy­ber, the North­star and the Elec­tric Fac­to­ry many years before you watched them rise. I have been to hun­dreds of shows in this city in my life­time and many more in oth­er Cities around the coun­try and what has become clear is that most oth­er major cities in this coun­try have Philly beat by a mile in terms of places to enjoy a live music per­for­mance. D.C. has the 930 Club, New York has the Nokia The­ater and the Rose­land and sev­er­al oth­ers, Chica­go has the House of Blues and LA has too many to list. I could go on and on. Fur­ther, my under­stand­ing is that Live Nation’s club divi­sion (small venues) and Philadel­phia specif­i­cal­ly were bright spots on Live Nation’s finan­cial state­ment last quar­ter. Philadel­phia music fans deserve the same as oth­er cities.…especially with its amaz­ing music his­to­ry. Seems like a NIMB based arti­cle to me art­ful­ly craft­ed to sound like facts.

  3. I think what you’re not get­ting is that I don’t have any­thing against the
    Philadel­phia music scene being vibrant. I have doubts about whether or not
    it would be made rich­er with the intro­duc­tion of a new venue. The list of
    venues you just named are some of the least con­sumer-friend­ly I’ve ever
    expe­ri­enced. You’re real­ly going to invoke House of Blues here? I feel the
    same way about the Elec­tric Fac­to­ry, to be honest.

    I’d soon­er see some­one make a legit­i­mate run against John­ny Bren­da’s (or,
    hell, the First Uni­tar­i­an Church base­ment) than I would the Electric
    Fac­to­ry. Sure, the mar­gins are prob­a­bly tighter, but the tick­et prices are
    in a neigh­bor­hood peo­ple can afford. My favorite con­certs in Philadelphia,
    or New York for that mat­ter, were at the small­er venues. I especially
    enjoyed shoe­horn­ing some acts into the small­er space and charg­ing $30 to see
    them.

    I get that you see this rad­i­cal­iz­ing the Philly music scene. It’s your baby.
    You must. But if you’re going to try to make an emo­tion­al appeal about “the
    scene,” it’d be bet­ter spent on a venue that does­n’t look like a Best Buy.

    Last­ly, I’m flat­tered that you said this blog post was art­ful­ly crafted.
    Hon­est­ly, it’s not a NIMB hit piece as much as it is a music edi­tor who has
    watched inter­est in music crater, and knows peo­ple’s will­ing­ness to spend on
    tick­ets has decreased might­i­ly. Also, I’m a run­ner who’s been through that
    area and if peo­ple are afraid to go the Elec­tric Fac­to­ry now, they sure as
    hell won’t feel com­fort­able dri­ving that stretch of des­o­late road.

    Thanks for com­ment­ing. Best of luck going ahead.

  4. I think what you’re not get­ting is that I don’t have any­thing against the
    Philadel­phia music scene being vibrant. I have doubts about whether or not
    it would be made rich­er with the intro­duc­tion of a new venue. The list of
    venues you just named are some of the least con­sumer-friend­ly I’ve ever
    expe­ri­enced. You’re real­ly going to invoke House of Blues here? I feel the
    same way about the Elec­tric Fac­to­ry, to be honest.

    I’d soon­er see some­one make a legit­i­mate run against John­ny Bren­da’s (or,
    hell, the First Uni­tar­i­an Church base­ment) than I would the Electric
    Fac­to­ry. Sure, the mar­gins are prob­a­bly tighter, but the tick­et prices are
    in a neigh­bor­hood peo­ple can afford. My favorite con­certs in Philadelphia,
    or New York for that mat­ter, were at the small­er venues. I especially
    enjoyed shoe­horn­ing some acts into the small­er space and charg­ing $30 to see
    them.

    I get that you see this rad­i­cal­iz­ing the Philly music scene. It’s your baby.
    You must. But if you’re going to try to make an emo­tion­al appeal about “the
    scene,” it’d be bet­ter spent on a venue that does­n’t look like a Best Buy.

    Last­ly, I’m flat­tered that you said this blog post was art­ful­ly crafted.
    Hon­est­ly, it’s not a NIMB hit piece as much as it is a music edi­tor who has
    watched inter­est in music crater, and knows peo­ple’s will­ing­ness to spend on
    tick­ets has decreased might­i­ly. Also, I’m a run­ner who’s been through that
    area and if peo­ple are afraid to go the Elec­tric Fac­to­ry now, they sure as
    hell won’t feel com­fort­able dri­ving that stretch of des­o­late road.

    Thanks for com­ment­ing. Best of luck going ahead.

  5. Thanks for the reply. Hap­py to dis­cuss this any­time. I think there is a lot we can agree upon and maybe learn from each other. 

  6. I agree with the com­ment about The Khyber…but dis­agree with the one about the North Star? Have you seen their cal­en­dar for the next two months? I con­sid­er that a great alter­na­tive to a sweaty Church Basement…and to the Mighty John­ny Bren­das *gasp*.

  7. I once saw Pre­ston School of Indus­try open for the Shins at the North Star.
    I saw Clin­ic on the Walk­ing with Thee tour at the North Star. We haven’t
    seen the likes of that book­ing in near­ly a decade. I just skimmed the
    book­ings on the site and I’d say my com­ment stands.

    Apart from the ’90s nos­tal­gia book­ings, there’s noth­ing on there that Agnew
    does­n’t have beat hands down, even at the Church.

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